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obama's case, held the office over these last four years, they have talked a lot about each other. but they have not faced each other, man to man, person to person, face to face, on the same stage, as far as i can tell, in eight years. the last time i have a record of them being on the same stage together was a gridiron dinner in 2004 in washington, d.c. these guys have been campaigning against each other by remote for quite some time. seeing them face to face tonight is going to be remarkable. chris, in terms of the way that these guys are doing their last-minute preparations, is the last-minute stuff that they're doing fact or is the last-minute stuff they're doing psychological? >> well, you know, bobby kennedy said to jack kennedy on the way out the door to debate dick nixon, kick him in the balls. you know? sometimes it's just something like that, something like that. that's history, not me talking. and sometimes it's just that kind of sense of, go get 'em! and that can be the thing you need. nixon's guy, on the other hand, said to him, "erase the assassin's image." that was a
obama's case, held the office over these last four years, they have talked a lot about each other. but they have not faced each other, man to man, person to person, face to face, on the same stage, as far as i can tell, in eight years. the last time i have a record of them being on the same stage together was a gridiron dinner in 2004 in washington, d.c. these guys have been campaigning against each other by remote for quite some time. seeing them face to face tonight is going to be remarkable....
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we're taking a survey.coup year. for some reason the republican party and their conservative allies can't get away from describing obama as muslim, not born here, not believing in america. >> i know, i know, i know this is what they do. the head of florida's gop where the call appears to originate told "the st. augustine record," it was off script completely. we have everything scripted. those are clearly not the views of the republican party of clay county or the mitt romney campaign. they did not deny the incident. this whole thing about it was a renegade, it was a rogue operation, those polling operations, those -- there are people sitting in rooms, sitting in call stations. you have people sitting next to you, sitting to your left and right. nobody ever heard her saying that? >> well, they claim not. >> these are phone banks. >> they're supposed to have scripts. if a person says "a," you say "b," if they say "b," you say "c." if this was a rogue, this was someone who -- >> the reason i bring this up is when they
we're taking a survey.coup year. for some reason the republican party and their conservative allies can't get away from describing obama as muslim, not born here, not believing in america. >> i know, i know, i know this is what they do. the head of florida's gop where the call appears to originate told "the st. augustine record," it was off script completely. we have everything scripted. those are clearly not the views of the republican party of clay county or the mitt romney...
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so, basically, romney says, obama comes on stage, says 20 years ago i became the luckiest man honor they because michelle obama agreed to marry me. happy anniversary. next year we won't be celebrating in front of 40 million people. mild chuckle. romney, congratulations mr. president on your anniversary. i'm sure this was the most place you could imagine here with me. it was a great line from romney, not known to be funny. >> from the start, i think he picked up. he was able to work than extraordinarily confident fashion. he came in against tight, as mr. lipton indicated he owned that moment, owned that stage. he wanted to own obama with all of those troubling consequences, and he did so, i think, because he presumed that he would tell his facts, he would tell his truth, he would do it with vigor, and you can study every master, you connect emotionally, articulate your viewpoint and people believe in perception of your command. last night he was unquestioned in terms of his supremacy. >> that was significant. while romney was freely contradicting all of the previous romneys, he was unchal
so, basically, romney says, obama comes on stage, says 20 years ago i became the luckiest man honor they because michelle obama agreed to marry me. happy anniversary. next year we won't be celebrating in front of 40 million people. mild chuckle. romney, congratulations mr. president on your anniversary. i'm sure this was the most place you could imagine here with me. it was a great line from romney, not known to be funny. >> from the start, i think he picked up. he was able to work than...
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can all of president obama's promises he made four years ago really be done in four years? >> reporter: what do you think, is four years enough? >> i don't think so. >> reporter: they all wish they had a fact checker standing by to sort through the flurry of claims and counter claims. is romney really not seeking a $5 trillion tax cut? will people be able to keep their health insurance under the president's plan? >> i approach they are both lying to me and i'm basing my decision on that. >> reporter: the question i have that maybe you can't answer, why can't you make up your minds? they all said the rest of the debates are now more crucial. after watching round one, perhaps significantly changed the entire race. ron allen, nbc news, denver. >>> all right. speaking of fact checkers, we'll talk to one next, but we did ask you what you think, was mitt romney's debate performance the october surprise? andrew kelly wrote, unfortunately yes, but at least the president didn't sling mud. from ryan ross cummings, romney's flip on policies threw off obama, period. ady for a taste of
can all of president obama's promises he made four years ago really be done in four years? >> reporter: what do you think, is four years enough? >> i don't think so. >> reporter: they all wish they had a fact checker standing by to sort through the flurry of claims and counter claims. is romney really not seeking a $5 trillion tax cut? will people be able to keep their health insurance under the president's plan? >> i approach they are both lying to me and i'm basing my...
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the initial result for two years awarded with declining obama approval writing, awarding with huge windfall in the midterms. it made conservatives think the rest of the country is coming to our side u in rating, the midterms explained by how bad the economy was and what we are seeing now, as the economy starts to improve a bit, most americans actually like obama, cheering for him this stuff really seems off note, i think, to the average american. >> owe mama is a divisive figure, constantly pitting one america against the other. in 2007, it was black america against a white government. and knew that he essentially is the government, he is taking that same kind of tactic and he is pitting poor america against wealthy america. the problem with this is that there are actually aggrieved groups, legitimate arguments to be made that the government has neg lengtd the concerns of black america, that our economy has not sufficiently addressed poverty, but you don't put agrieved groups and pit them against one another. that is not what a truly transcendent leader does it is petty, it's small minded,
the initial result for two years awarded with declining obama approval writing, awarding with huge windfall in the midterms. it made conservatives think the rest of the country is coming to our side u in rating, the midterms explained by how bad the economy was and what we are seeing now, as the economy starts to improve a bit, most americans actually like obama, cheering for him this stuff really seems off note, i think, to the average american. >> owe mama is a divisive figure,...
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this is a tough blog by a guy who has been very strong for obama over the years. andrew sullivan of the daily beast. he wrote this last night, basically just at the end of the debate. this was a dissaster for the president for the key people he needs to reach. his effete wonkish lectures may have jolted a lot of independents into giving romney a second look. obama tyke looked tired, even bored. he kept looking down. he wasn't there. the person with authority on that stage was romney. offered by one of the lamest moderators ever and seized with relish. this was romney the salesman and my gut tells me he sold a few voters on a change tonight. it's beyond depressing, but it's true. gentlemen, that's a tough assessment. it's matched by this, i'm showing you one of the strongest headlines, a full banner basically giving it completely to romney last night. governor rendell, you have been in a lot of tough debates. i don't know what you thought. i guess i'm known as an obama supporter and i certainly wanted him to do well last night, and yet i don't get it. i don't quite
this is a tough blog by a guy who has been very strong for obama over the years. andrew sullivan of the daily beast. he wrote this last night, basically just at the end of the debate. this was a dissaster for the president for the key people he needs to reach. his effete wonkish lectures may have jolted a lot of independents into giving romney a second look. obama tyke looked tired, even bored. he kept looking down. he wasn't there. the person with authority on that stage was romney. offered by...
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you learned to argue really well and make your points years ago. >> michelle obama and ann romney with advice for their husbands. the first lady will campaign for her husband this afternoon in nevada. meantime, ann romney campaigned in the state yesterday where she tried to appeal to women voters. that as our battleground state polling shows today that president obama has lost support. just three points down from 12 last month. however, the president still holds formidable leads among women voters in ohio and virginia. joining me now -- the sight of tonight's debate. it's great to have you here. showing president obama losing support with women voters. why do you think that might be the the case there? >> i think that women voters are looking at mitt romney's policies and they're realizing that they're not good for women. economic policies. the health care policies. family planning. in florida, of course, medicare's a big issue. women really want to look at candidates that are going to support issues that help women and families and that's what's going on. i think in florida and around
you learned to argue really well and make your points years ago. >> michelle obama and ann romney with advice for their husbands. the first lady will campaign for her husband this afternoon in nevada. meantime, ann romney campaigned in the state yesterday where she tried to appeal to women voters. that as our battleground state polling shows today that president obama has lost support. just three points down from 12 last month. however, the president still holds formidable leads among...
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. >> what would drive obama crazy? >> these broad stroke indictments of the last four years -- >> bob, it's something truly serious tonight, it could get ugly. we're hearing all this stuff leaking from the romney camp how he's going to hit him on dishonesty. i don't know how somebody stands on a platform and let them go across with broadsides about integrity being dishonesty. how does he deal with it, if it comes? >> he just answers it honestly. he's come a long way since that debate where he told hillary clinton she was nice enough. he'll be very contained, very self-controlled and i suspect very presidential. my guess is that's part of the whole preparation process the president's gone through. he's not going to let mitt romney get under his skin because he's very conscience of the fact that that would represent a victory for romney. that would become the story of the debate, much as al gore's size became the story of the 2000 debate. >> the bridge of size. thank you. thank you very much. as we go to break, new poll
. >> what would drive obama crazy? >> these broad stroke indictments of the last four years -- >> bob, it's something truly serious tonight, it could get ugly. we're hearing all this stuff leaking from the romney camp how he's going to hit him on dishonesty. i don't know how somebody stands on a platform and let them go across with broadsides about integrity being dishonesty. how does he deal with it, if it comes? >> he just answers it honestly. he's come a long way...
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obama. >> a bombshell. a glimpse into the mind of the real barack obama. oh, sounds shocking. so what did they have? a five-year-old speech open ohhed to the opened to the public and widely covered during the 2008 campaign but this caller had a bizarre explanation why old news was suddenly new news. >> people say, this has already been reported. actually, it hasn't been reported and i know because i reported on it the first time. >> he knows it hasn't been reported because he reported on it. okay, roger. roger that. it shows just how desperate the right wing is and today conservative websites jumped on board, going back to their old playbook and dredging up their most offensive rhetoric to attack the president and they've embarrassed themselves with this latest attempt to cook up an october surprise. joining me now is james peterson, professional professor and contributor to thegrio.com. thanks for being here tonight. >> thank you. >> ana marie, this was the big bombshell that wasn't. but what do you say to
obama. >> a bombshell. a glimpse into the mind of the real barack obama. oh, sounds shocking. so what did they have? a five-year-old speech open ohhed to the opened to the public and widely covered during the 2008 campaign but this caller had a bizarre explanation why old news was suddenly new news. >> people say, this has already been reported. actually, it hasn't been reported and i know because i reported on it the first time. >> he knows it hasn't been reported because he...
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. >> are you going to vote to this year? >> yes, i am going to vote. >> for mitt romney, what loopholes -- >> that's my question, too. >> for president obama, how do you plan on closing the deficit. >> how does the bomb in syria change the policies in the foreign east. >> what? >> turkey and syria, just he is ask lated the syrian conflict. >> what side of the fence are you on? >> i don't have a dog in the race yet. i'm just curious on what the policy will be. >> you're not turkish are you? >> no. >> i've been in health care for 37 years as a provider and i am completely 100% for the affordable health care act. thank you president obama. >> i just want to know what we're going to do about the student's act. >> what percentage do you pay in interest? >> well, mine's a government debt. i don't have any private debt. >> i paid 3% in college. >> happy anniversary, mr. president. >> 20th anniversary. >> who is going to cut the spending? who is it? it's romney. >> can i ask a question, please? >> sure. >> go ahead. i want to know w
. >> are you going to vote to this year? >> yes, i am going to vote. >> for mitt romney, what loopholes -- >> that's my question, too. >> for president obama, how do you plan on closing the deficit. >> how does the bomb in syria change the policies in the foreign east. >> what? >> turkey and syria, just he is ask lated the syrian conflict. >> what side of the fence are you on? >> i don't have a dog in the race yet. i'm just curious on...
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obama was in the middle of a sentence. mitt romney interrupted and said, you were president for four years, and the president just said, yep. didn't keep going. didn't say wait a second. i'm still talking. none of that. >> you're right. you know, when the president was looking down, this was a different thing for him, because a lot of the times he has that chin up and he's usually in control and powerful and his body language reflects that. by looking down as well as backing down from those kind of interruptions from mitt romney, and mitt romney did that all night to show how he could be aggressive and assertive and go toe to toe with this president and look presidential. romney was effective in doing that during this debate where the president -- i think his strategy was to be more likeable, and we saw that congruent in his body language, with the head tilts, which are around the idea of likability, which was a big thing toure brought up earlier at the top of the program. >> we saw a lot of the president's stress and disl
obama was in the middle of a sentence. mitt romney interrupted and said, you were president for four years, and the president just said, yep. didn't keep going. didn't say wait a second. i'm still talking. none of that. >> you're right. you know, when the president was looking down, this was a different thing for him, because a lot of the times he has that chin up and he's usually in control and powerful and his body language reflects that. by looking down as well as backing down from...
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it's only these years right here. that's it. now, by definition, you never have an incumbent president in this situation more than once. presidents can only serve two terms so there's only one opportunity when they carry into that debate, when they're running for re-election, they carry into that debate the gravitas of being the president of the united states facing off against some non-president who wants their job. that only happens once per president. and these are the only times that has happened on tv in our nation's history. that's it. and this is the situation that president obama found himself in last night. it's only happened six other times in american history. so how did he do in historical context? there isn't that much historical context, right? like, this is a very knowable thing. honestly, that first one, that first one in 1976 where incumbent president gerald ford faced off against challenger jimmy carter, honestly, this one shouldn't even really count as part of the context like the rest of them because this one
it's only these years right here. that's it. now, by definition, you never have an incumbent president in this situation more than once. presidents can only serve two terms so there's only one opportunity when they carry into that debate, when they're running for re-election, they carry into that debate the gravitas of being the president of the united states facing off against some non-president who wants their job. that only happens once per president. and these are the only times that has...
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my 8-year-old daughter who asked, why is president obama so mad? and i think that's a really georgia, you know, good way of putting it. it looked as though he was at the wrong debate, he was in parallel play. and he had the classical presidential case of no one has spoken to him that way in four years. >> stop and say that again. chris matthews said it last night. maybe he was hailed at chief one too times. >> no one has spoken to him that way. no one has tried to interrupt him in four years. think it showed. >> that's what happens. emp agrees with you. it's hard to the say to the president, you're wrong, sir. no one interrupts you. no one tries to tell you control the room. that's the power of the presidency. he hasn't had an argument since john mccain in the third debate in 2008. a real argument of this kid kind. you're fighting for time. you're fighting for control of the room. it's not something a president has to do. >> any president, any governor, any senator, you're almost indignant that somebody would challenge you because you're you. a pre
my 8-year-old daughter who asked, why is president obama so mad? and i think that's a really georgia, you know, good way of putting it. it looked as though he was at the wrong debate, he was in parallel play. and he had the classical presidential case of no one has spoken to him that way in four years. >> stop and say that again. chris matthews said it last night. maybe he was hailed at chief one too times. >> no one has spoken to him that way. no one has tried to interrupt him in...
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i don't know a single small businessman or woman who believes that the next four years under obama will be good. i don't know a single small businessman or woman who expects to hire a lot more people if obama wins the election. i travel a lot. these are not conspiracy theories. they get up every day and look at taxes and what is the cost of the health insurance and the market going to be like. and they are all overwhelmly -- they have surveyed their members. >> i want to advance this from the economy to the aftermath of the debate. the cover of the noe"the new yo mitt romney eastwooding, debating an empty chair. simple question. what happened? this couldn't have been the game plan for this president to go in and by all accounts underperform against a guy whose back was against the wall, who faced a make or break debate. >> look, david, it's not rocket science to believe that the president was disappointed in the expectations that he has for himself. but, look, i think part of that was because as i said earlier we met a new mitt romney. we met a mitt romney that wanted to walk away from
i don't know a single small businessman or woman who believes that the next four years under obama will be good. i don't know a single small businessman or woman who expects to hire a lot more people if obama wins the election. i travel a lot. these are not conspiracy theories. they get up every day and look at taxes and what is the cost of the health insurance and the market going to be like. and they are all overwhelmly -- they have surveyed their members. >> i want to advance this from...
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it's been four years with obama. how many years do you have to have of him before you make up your mind. there's a lot of information out there. how do you folks get yours? >> jess, why don't you take. >> definitely, i try to -- in today's society i get most of minus through the internet so i typically look at bbc, "new york times", "washington post" -- >> but you still don't think you have enough information? >> there's a lot of information out there and i think most of us agree that really, they've both got good ideas and great candidates but what it comes down to is, which plan the is better for america. ultimately, i'm leaning towards romney but there's still a couple more debates left and -- >> keira you said you don't have enough information. you're a kindergarten teacher here in the denver area. not enough information? there's so much out there. we've been campaigning for a year. >> finding the information that youch can connect with and the information that you can and i'm still looking for that. >> chris, wh
it's been four years with obama. how many years do you have to have of him before you make up your mind. there's a lot of information out there. how do you folks get yours? >> jess, why don't you take. >> definitely, i try to -- in today's society i get most of minus through the internet so i typically look at bbc, "new york times", "washington post" -- >> but you still don't think you have enough information? >> there's a lot of information out there...
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president bush, he should have ran four years ago. >> four years ago, barack obama and john mccain faced off in a first debate that was nearly canceled when the republican suspended his campaign because of the meltdown on wall street. the day of their second debate, the stock market dropped 500 points. >> now the troubles are spreading. the market took another dive today, and there are some big names now involved. >> reporter: the day of the third debate, the stock market dropped over 300 points. >> fear that the country could be entering in one of the most serious recessions in decades, led by wall street's 700-point sell-off. >> now four years later, the president who faced john mccain in those debates and beat him faces his new republican challenger for the first time. >> i'm looking forward to head to head. >> an mirror image of '08, a campaign is chaotic mash. new issues, new controversies, every day. the polls are bad for romney and good for obama in the swing states. but the national numbers are as tight as they get. the primaries are over, the conventions are over, but the debate
president bush, he should have ran four years ago. >> four years ago, barack obama and john mccain faced off in a first debate that was nearly canceled when the republican suspended his campaign because of the meltdown on wall street. the day of their second debate, the stock market dropped 500 points. >> now the troubles are spreading. the market took another dive today, and there are some big names now involved. >> reporter: the day of the third debate, the stock market...
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mitt romney attacked obama's decision... said standing up to china was "bad for the nation and our workers." how can mitt romney take on the cheaters... when he's taking their side? >>> are you better off than you were four years ago? >> senator, i served with jack kennedy. i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> he's very likable. i agree with that. i don't think i'm that bad. >> you're likable enough, hillary. >> thank you. >> likable enough. and that was a moment in new hampshire. some game changing moments from debates past and present and could tomorrow night's debate produce anything as memorable. one thing important, ruth, john, we've lived through these debate moments but they're not all game changers. arguably some of those moments like lloyd bentsen and dan quayle didn't change anything because michael dukakis in the final presidential debate showed sort of a remarkable lack of human affect you might say in response to bernie schultz question. >> that didn't help
mitt romney attacked obama's decision... said standing up to china was "bad for the nation and our workers." how can mitt romney take on the cheaters... when he's taking their side? >>> are you better off than you were four years ago? >> senator, i served with jack kennedy. i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> he's very likable. i agree with that. i don't think i'm that bad. >> you're likable enough,...
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$4,000 more in taxes on the middle class, we can't afford four more years. >>> from the obama campaign, an ad targeting mitt romney's plan, and calling it just an act. >> why was romney so dishonest about his plan? the massive new tax cut for millionaires means higher tax cuts for the middle class, and aarp says romney's plan undermines medicare by turning it into a voucher. we have real challenges to meet. children to educate, a class to rebuild. >> one more note within this past hour, the president left on a two-day campaign swing through california, on a campaign effort, how else do you think they pay for those ads? >> hey, you don't miss much, do you, alex? >> talking about the unemployment number, we also saw a strong debate, still about the debate. >> well, you know it is a good thing for the president's supporters and they're looking forward to it. he gets two more bites of the apple, when vp paul ryan goes up against joe biden, and candidates have less and less tried to paint it as a victory, nobody agrees with it. and david axelrod said the president let mitt romney get away w
$4,000 more in taxes on the middle class, we can't afford four more years. >>> from the obama campaign, an ad targeting mitt romney's plan, and calling it just an act. >> why was romney so dishonest about his plan? the massive new tax cut for millionaires means higher tax cuts for the middle class, and aarp says romney's plan undermines medicare by turning it into a voucher. we have real challenges to meet. children to educate, a class to rebuild. >> one more note within...
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the other thing is, obama, they were saying he tanked the economy going into the election four years ago. and now, of course, he's manipulating the numbers to make it look good, he's pretty good, this obama guy, manipulating the economy. but my feeling is the economy is actually picking up. >> it is. >> we slowed down in the spring, and now it is picking up. housing is up. >> exactly. >> autos up. >> consumer confidence is up. >> consumer confidence is up. union pacific. >> stock market. >> said his traffic on his railroad is up over last year. that's huge. >> you know, i have had a good friend in florida that -- earl durden, late, great earl durden, he had short-line railroads, had them all over the country. anytime i wanted to know how the economy was going to do next quarter, i'd pick him up and say how much are you moving? he would tell me. he'd go, picking up. sure enough, railroads. leading indicator. at least from what i saw. >> if you've got employment, housing, autos and railroads and -- >> it's a tough argument to say that there's something wrong with the numbers. >> andy,
the other thing is, obama, they were saying he tanked the economy going into the election four years ago. and now, of course, he's manipulating the numbers to make it look good, he's pretty good, this obama guy, manipulating the economy. but my feeling is the economy is actually picking up. >> it is. >> we slowed down in the spring, and now it is picking up. housing is up. >> exactly. >> autos up. >> consumer confidence is up. >> consumer confidence is up....
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president obama, as he has over the last 3 1/2 years, explained his vision for the country. and now you can choose. it's right there in front of you. >> you know the way i look at that? i have two members of my family, one working for romney, one working for obama, and i can see why both have made their choices. >> by the way, they both tell you that they're great leaders. >> great things. >> ian says romney's a great leader. >> amazing things. >> amazing things about romney. and, of course, mark says great, great things about the president. we're so lucky to live in this country. >> and my dad cuts them both down. >> yeah, he does. >>> coming up, "mad money's" jim cramer joins us. also "the washington post's" eugene robinson and nbc news political director chuck todd. mike allen with the "politico playbook" plus willie's "week in review." >>> up next, bill karins with a check on the forecast. bill. >> big changes this weekend. we'll watch temperatures on the east coast plunging. so enjoy today. a little taste of summer for everyone. first things first, the worst weather in
president obama, as he has over the last 3 1/2 years, explained his vision for the country. and now you can choose. it's right there in front of you. >> you know the way i look at that? i have two members of my family, one working for romney, one working for obama, and i can see why both have made their choices. >> by the way, they both tell you that they're great leaders. >> great things. >> ian says romney's a great leader. >> amazing things. >> amazing...
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of american engagement in a country where we have been now for 11 years? >>> two days away from the first presidential debate with new questions about the obama administration's handling of the attack on the u.s. consulate in libya. the question is what would a big night look like exactly? >>> and a tight game in ph
of american engagement in a country where we have been now for 11 years? >>> two days away from the first presidential debate with new questions about the obama administration's handling of the attack on the u.s. consulate in libya. the question is what would a big night look like exactly? >>> and a tight game in ph
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years. >> wait. so you've got a document where barack obama is saying we've got to cut medicare $250 billion, which i think is responsible. but his campaign team is going out there every day saying watch out. we're not going to cut medicare, but mitt romney is. >> yeah. i mean, it's not just his campaign team. it's the president and himself. he says, we're going to reform and strengthen medicare for the long haul the right way by reducing the cost of health care. everyone would agree with that. not by shifting it onto seniors. well, in his own documents, he says, we have to do this. when i talk to him, he realized and said very openly that it's irresponsible to not address this. >> let's play a clip that you were alluding to. go ahead and roll it. >> all the democrats felt that for democrats to join with republicans in anything that could be painted as a medicare cut when there was a huge difference between democratic and republican positions on medicare generally was bad politics. it's an untenable
years. >> wait. so you've got a document where barack obama is saying we've got to cut medicare $250 billion, which i think is responsible. but his campaign team is going out there every day saying watch out. we're not going to cut medicare, but mitt romney is. >> yeah. i mean, it's not just his campaign team. it's the president and himself. he says, we're going to reform and strengthen medicare for the long haul the right way by reducing the cost of health care. everyone would...